Let me think. An example of a real-world use case from a Symbian user: Listening to music (and optionally Scrobbling it) in the background whilst Web browsing, running a Twitter client, using Push IMAP, and using an IRC client. You can't do that on a lousy iPhone, and on Android, you'd have stuttering audio, and your battery would go flat quickly. Not so on the Symbian Platform, if that answers your question. - Tyson Key
Try taking a photo whilst listening to music on an Android device too - you'll get a useless image, and skipping or paused audio, thanks to the fact that the underlying kernel and other subsystems aren't tuned very well. (See http://dw2blog.com/2010/02/10/the-mobile-multitasking-advantage/ where that's discussed in detail). - Tyson Key
Oh, and you don't have to resort to a load of unsupported, warranty-voiding hacks to use tethering, change the home screen wallpaper or install software from an "unofficial" source. Video recording, MMS, copy-and-paste, and other useful features have been supported for eons, too. - Tyson Key
Live now: This Week In Google live from Austin with Jeff Jarvis, Gina Trapani, and a host of others. http://live.twit.tv. - Leo Laporte
I just got done watching the impromptu (off twit) nsfwshow from last night http://nsfwshow.com - hilarity ensues (really nsfw, not for the humor deficient) - Chris Heath
This was a really good show. Jeff and Gina both highlighted things I'd never have thought of. Maybe more participants give them time to think? They say good stuff on a lot of shows, particularly Jeff, but this was an exceptional show. - Fergal Barry
Live now: This Week In Google 35 with Jeff Jarvis, Gina Trapani, and Kevin Marks. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here... - Leo Laporte
Google needs to set the precedent of keeping information open for them to organize. If China wins we'll see a lot more of such efforts which would damage Google. - Todd Hoff
Some of these apps will essentially be a bookmark to the web site. Why should you install an app for that? - Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Enough people paid for quality entertainment, even when commercial entertainment was available. I think enough people are willing to pay for reliable, quality news and information, as the noise level continues to rise. - Preternat (Ken Cadby)
You can be super fast but super fast divided between a lot of people is still slow - Johnny Worthington
Leaps forward for who? Servicing the uber-geeks is a small part of their market. - Johnny Worthington
Maybe he is sick of being held to a fire that he isn't sitting around. - Johnny Worthington
He produces toasters. He is being criticized for not making an oven. - Johnny Worthington
I can get porn on my iPhone, but I don't have to deal with porn if I don't want to - Johnny Worthington
Oh come on Jason - admit it. It's all marketing for you. Of course the open web can be good for commenting. What you're doing is different though - that's why you do it. - Jesse Stay
Ask Jason how much traffic he got from that last post - Jesse Stay
But those 4,000 Harvard students gave their info to a 19 year old kid... Who is the dumb one here? - Johnny Worthington
"I don't trust Zuckerberg" - when was the last time Calacanis even talked to Zuckerberg? - Jesse Stay
Now Jason's getting more traffic because he's able to promote it all on TWiT. This is ridiculous. Where's the guy from the other side of the table in this conversation? - Jesse Stay
Joe, but Leo's much more than just opinion. He produces shows that show an unbiased review of various products on the web. He's a reputable journalist, not just an opinion guy (until recently it seems). - Jesse Stay
@Jesse: perhaps, but this is his opinion here, not reporting. important to keep in mind. - Joe Silence (circumspect)
Joe, I understand that, but Leo's not opinion. This is completely changing my desire to watch TWiT any more. I used to watch/listen because I could get an unbiased review of all the latest products and tools on the web. - Jesse Stay
Joe, I just turned it off - I wish he'd get people that could argue this on the majority side. He's making it sound like those 4 are the majority. - Jesse Stay
there's a number of us "turning off" Facebook, too. voting with our feet. same idea. we don't like it anymore. if it works for you and you're fine with their policies, fine. if not. well, i scaled way back and am ready to jump ship at any time. whatever works for your needs. - Joe Silence (circumspect)
I'm sure Leo's numbers are through the roof after this. Being controversial brings great ratings. I'm very disappointed. - Jesse Stay
Jesse, I'm only 20, and I understand right from wrong, the biggest stumbling block in wanting to build a service, is my personal need to protect my users information. - Jimminy, CoG of FF
Jimminy, I thought I was an adult when I was 19, too ;-) - Jesse Stay
Johnny, everyone gives information out private information all the time. You go to a restaurant and use your debit or credit card, there is a huge bit of personal information, that you just gave to someone you don't know. - Jimminy, CoG of FF
"understand right from wrong" != being in business. - Johnny Worthington
Johnny, I never said anything about business. So what are you talking about Johnny? You love throwing random meaningless shit out. - Jimminy, CoG of FF
And you love not getting things. You can speak about ethics till the cows come home but a 19 year old kid has NO concept of the cut and thrust and the tempting corruption of power and money. - Johnny Worthington
Johnny, sure there are protections, but even if they don't exist that doesn't mean you can't trust someone, and it sure as hell doesn't mean you can't trust someone because they are young. - Jimminy, CoG of FF
I don't think attacking someones age is going to help your arguments Johnny and Jesse.. it just lowers the value of what your saying. - CW™
Don't take this issue personally Jimminy. You are not the standard for a 19/20 year old. - Johnny Worthington
CW, I'm not attacking Jimminy. I was 19 once, too, and I made a whole lot of dumb decisions back then. - Jesse Stay
Johnny, obviously you know nothing, I've been in possession of Fortune 500 CEO's card numbers and private information. If I really wanted, I could have swiped this data. I was 18 when I was handling this kind of info. - Jimminy, CoG of FF
CW, but expecting a 19 year old to have the same level of understanding about business and power as a 50 year old corporate head is a important point - Johnny Worthington
"Don't take this issue personally Jimminy. You are not the standard for a 19/20 year old" - Johnny Worthington
Your not 50 years old either Johnny. When you get to be that age and a CEO of a large company then maybe you can talk about this. Until then you are just attempting to understand which is what Jimminy is doing at his point in life. - CW™
Johnny, and when does someone reach the point where they can handle the concept of cut and thrust and tempting corruption of power and money? 25-28. - Jimminy, CoG of FF
Honestly, that's what privacy policies are for. I don't think any of us can trust ourselves enough to not at least think about it, no matter what age (although I argue the younger you are the harder that decision is to make). Privacy policies, and Terms of Use keep us in check. - Jesse Stay
Plus, I'm the manager of a 2.5 million dollar export account. What I knew when i was 19 in regards to business to now (30) you could fill a encyclopedia. I also know smart 20 year olds. I know some smart 15 year olds. I also know some slimy 45 year old managers. What I'm saying is while not excusing Facebook's actions, trusting your private data to a 19 year old is a risky idea, especially when you don't know them or their personality. Power corrupts. Assuming everyone will be happy and trustworthy is wrong. Early adopters are risk takers and trust flashy logos. - Johnny Worthington
Now Jason's bragging on Twitter how many subscribers his e-mail list has. Has the show even ended yet? - Jesse Stay
Johnny, you do understand the mechanics behind Facebook though, noone had to know who was behind it, they people who were, were all 18-24, and they were invited by people they did trust and did know. All Zuckerberg would have had to do is seed the service with people he knew. - Jimminy, CoG of FF
CW, Jimminy is also trying to say that he is the standard for 19 year olds. I am not attacking him, I am just pointing out that while he is a smart guy with lots of responsibility, he is the exception, not the rule. - Johnny Worthington
Johnny, I know I'm not standard, but anyone willing to start a business at a young age isn't standard either. This doesn't mean they are morally sound either. - Jimminy, CoG of FF
OK, I admit I am being ageist. I apologize if I offended Jimminy. - Johnny Worthington
I know I've said lots of stupid things over IM, not thinking anyone else would read it, usually not really meaning what I said. I certainly did that a lot when I was younger, and I still do that on occasion. - Jesse Stay
Heck, I say stupid things in public some times - Jesse Stay
Jesse, I've said stuff, private and public, that could be taken out of context, or shouldn't have been stated, quite easily, but repeating similar offenses, is hard to ignore. - Jimminy, CoG of FF
Alas, I'm off to watch Survivor, have a good night guys. - Jimminy, CoG of FF
