Europe release date confirmed, hopefully the UK will be around the same time
Nokia's latest flagship handset, the Nokia N8 is due to be released in Germany on August 24, with the price being about €370. It's going to be on sale via Amazon Germany, so you could order one from there, although we're hopeful that a UK release date will be around the same time.
The N8 can shoot 720p HD video, via its 12-megapixel camera and runs the new Symbian^3 operating system.
When we got our paws on an N8, earlier this month, the Nokia bods wouldn't let us turn it on to see the new OS in action as it was unfinished. However, we did take lots of pictures of the handset, so take a look to see if you like its style.
We'll bring you the official UK release date and details as soon as we have them. If you're too impatient to wait then you could kill 34 minutes of the wait by listening to the all new Pocket-lint Podcast. Clearly, we don't mind a bit of shameless self-promotion.
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Nokia N8 confirmed for August....in Germany originally appeared on http://www.pocket-lint.com on Mon, 24 May 2010 15:19:58 +0100
You know things are heating up for Apple when even Fake Steve Jobs himself announces that he’s ditching his iPhone and getting an Android phone.
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Which is why today, just to be mean, Google showed an Android phone tethered to an Apple iPad. Big laughs all around.
Indeed. Don’t bother with the iPad 3G, just get the cheap iPad, an Android phone running FroYo, turn on wifi tethering and you are automatically online for no extra costs.
I’m assuming that Apple could have done this already, but chose not to. Who knows why? Maybe they want to keep people locked into their old way of doing things. Or maybe because they were a market leader with no real competition and just got lazy.
I think the latter. It’s not specific to Apple, it’s a well-known law that any market leader with no competition starts taking their users for granted and always gets lazy.
Yes, Apple still has a larger installed base. I was a little shocked recently when an Apple spokesbot responded to the news of Android’s outselling iPhone OS by reciting the old chestnut about Apple’s having more phones out there.
I was shocked because it’s a familiar line, one that I’ve heard countless times in my 20-plus years covering technology. But I’ve only ever heard it from companies that are doomed and in total denial about it.
Very true. Amusingly, this is actually the exact line used by Nokia and Symbian representatives when asked that very same question. I’m sure Steve Jobs is not enjoying the company in that basket.
My take on the overall situation: I think Apple got arrogant just a tad too early. They were doing great, selling iPhones by the millions despite AT&T and they decided that they had already won, so they could become complacent. They kicked out Adobe, started locking down their product even more strongly than before, stopped innovating on the music front (where is http://itunes.com? Why do I still need an ugly client for the slightest synchronization task?), fell behind both in hardware and software, and Android eagerly filled the void.
One of my tennis coaches once told me “I guess it’s okay to be arrogant if you’re the best in the world”.
Apple became arrogant before they were the best in the world, and they are now going to have to fight hard if they want to stay third or maybe even fourth.
For once, I am agreeing with Dan Lyons. It will take time to move off iPhone, but I am considering it more than ever before. Fantastic introductions today from Google.
- Louis GrayOne Steve Jobs down, one to go
- Niklas SjostromOne Steve Jobs down, one to go
- IngoiPhone and Android Fueling Worldwide Smartphone Growth http://wp.me/p4P8c-uR7 from @gigaom
Sales of smartphones grew 56.7 percent in the first quarter of this year, according to new figures from IDC, far outpacing the 21.7 percent growth of the overall mobile market. Handset makers Apple and Motorola exhibited the largest growth in terms of smartphones sold and both gained in market share, but even with 53 percent more smartphone sales than the prior year quarter, Nokia’s market share was unchanged. Research In Motion sold more BlackBerry devices in the first quarter of 2010 over 2009, but the overall market growth outpaced BlackBerry sales, and RIM’s market share dipped slightly as a result. Rounding out the top five handset makers, HTC sold 73.3 percent more converged handsets than it did in the prior year quarter and managed a slight gain in overall share.
| 1Q10 Sales | 1Q10 Share | 1Q09 Sales | 1Q09 Share | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Nokia | 21.5 | 39.3% | 13.7 | 39.3% |
| Research In Motion | 10.6 | 19.4% | 7.3 | 20.9% |
| Apple | 8.8 | 16.1% | 3.8 | 10.9% |
| HTC | 2.6 | 4.8% | 1.5 | 4.3% |
| Motorola | 2.3 | 4.2% | 1.2 | 3.4% |
| Other | 8.9 | 16.3% | 7.2 | 20.6% |
Source: IDC
Looking closely at which companies are growing their market share and which are treading water or losing share, the gainers all have something in common — they create smartphones that mainly run on either Apple’s iPhone OS or Google’s Android platforms. Apple, of course, is the only vendor that uses its own platform, while HTC and Motorola have turned to Android for most, if not all, of their recent smartphones. Android standouts from HTC include the Hero, Droid Eris, myTouch 3G, Nexus One and Incredible, while Motorola is finding success with its Droid, Devour, Cliq and Backflip. Hoping to turn this trend, Nokia and RIM recently announced new operating systems to better compete — Nokia will utilize Symbian 3 in new handsets such as the N8, while RIM plans to power future smartphones with BlackBerry 6 in the third quarter of 2010.
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Internet of Things Conference in London http://bit.ly/aJEE9I
If you like your Internet rammed into things - lighting systems, automobiles, art, books, crookedneck squash - you'll light-up like a Japanese robot when you lurch into the mashup Internet of Things conference in London.
To refer to the conference by its full name (my hand to God), "Internet of things: Rise of the machines" takes place off the Strand at the headquarters of the British Computer Society on Southampton Street. It runs from May 4 through May 6, from 6:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m.
The Internet of Things is "hot" again, according to mashup. Well, here at ReadWriteWeb, we've known that for a while. Anything that enables you to core an apple just by thinking about it super hard* is something we are down for.
I'd hardly call an org that throws a conference named after a robot apocalypse deadly serious, but here's their more...sober definition of IoT.
"IoT is, in its simplistic form, tiny sensors that are embedded into physical things which are connected (wireless or wired) to create benefit from process change or data analysis. Underlying the IoT are technologies such as NFC, sensors, and smartphones. IoT focuses on either services that collect data and analyze the data and the output is information or services that collect data but also close the loop and affect the physical world."
The conference will be a "blend of keynote presentations, panel discussions and company demos" in the IoT field. Featured speakers include David Orban, Chairman of Humanity+, David Wood of Symbian and Philip Sheldrake of the Influence Scorecard Initiative.
*You can't actually do this, even with technology. You'll rupture something. Instead, read the 2005 CASAGRAS Report to get more background on the thinking and tech behind the conference.
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As we reported earlier today, Hewlett-Packard announced its plans to purchase Palm for $1.2 billion. The acquisition comes a few weeks after Palm put itself up for sale and less than a week after potential suitor HTC walked away from the table.
The deal comes as a bit of a surprise, given that it was Lenovo, not HP, who seemed most likely to acquire the struggling mobile company. However, as HP discussed in a call with investors and analysts earlier this afternoon, the deal may actually end up benefiting both companies.
As Mashable’s Adam Ostrow pointed out earlier today, this is a move that immediately puts HP back in the smartphone business. Although the company sells a smattering of Windows Mobile-based devices, it hasn’t been a significant player in the handheld market for at least five years.
During an investor call this afternoon, HP executives laid out the reasons for the Palm acquisition by pointing out what Palm can bring to HP and, in turn, what HP can bring to Palm. You can view the slide deck that was referenced in the call below:
If there is only one reason for HP to acquire Palm, it is webOS and its potential. When Palm first introduced webOS at CES 2009, even the most jaded tech journalists had to step forward and take notice. The user experience of webOS rivals — and in some cases exceeds — that of the iPhone in terms of fluidity and consistency.
This is what HP wants. HP reiterated the size of the global smartphone market repeatedly during its call and the company feels strongly that this is just the beginning. What HP is able to embrace with Palm is the ability to have a seamlessly integrated user experience that extend across devices. This includes smartphones, tablets or slate PCs, and maybe even netbooks.
While more and more companies look at licensing operating systems like Android, Windows Phone 7, Symbian and Meego, there’s still something very compelling about owning and controlling your own platform. As much as licensed solutions can be customized, companies are still ultimately at the mercy of whoever is licensing the software. That means that bringing technology to new platforms or device types is often up to someone else; it also means that companies risk entrusting their market futures to a party who could ultimately seek to cut them out of the equation.
This is why companies like RIM and Apple have their own platforms and why even companies like HTC are looking at building their own native operating system.
HP is good at working with licensing partners; it’s the number one PC manufacturer in the world for a reason. However, owning webOS allows HP to distinguish itself from the pack. It sounds like the plan is to have the webOS exist across a number of devices and, in turn, to offer consumers a uniquely HP experience across products.
Even better, HP is in a much better position to target both consumers and corporations when selling webOS. HP has plenty of money and marketing power to target the right carriers, the right retail chains and to reach out to the most responsive consumers. Palm lacked the money and the skill to market itself and to attract developers and consumers the right way.
Just because HP envisions having tablet or slate devices running webOS doesn’t mean the company intends to abandon Windows 7 on those devices as well. The company expressed its belief in choice and its plans to support Windows Mobile (and presumably Windows Phone 7).
That’s actually a very smart strategy. HP is a large enough company that it can diversify its investments. Businesses or users who are more comfortable with Windows 7 or Windows Mobile products can continue to get HP devices that are made for those platforms, while a consumer-focused platform will also be available across devices.
Just as many handset makers make devices for Windows Mobile, Android and even Symbian, HP will also support other platforms.
Of course, if webOS on HP is successful, the company may have less of a reason to invest in other platforms for reasons other than keeping existing customers satisfied.
The more we think about the deal, the more sense this makes. HP gets a really strong product and Palm gets a company that actually knows how to make deals and market products.
HP stressed how much it wants to retain the current Palm team, and while that makes sense from a developer perspective, the differences in corporate culture mean that some people are going to choose to leave the company.
But the big question remains: Can webOS with HP at the helm succeed in a marketplace that is quickly become a battle of big players? HP has had tremendous success selling computers and printers and its corporate and consumer channels are very strong.
HP made it clear that it intends to invest in the webOS ecosystem and in its development. That’s vital. On paper, webOS is a dream platform for developers; in practice, however, the company has absolutely failed to gain any traction in the community or to even highlight its own strengths.
For example, when I attended the Future of Web Apps conference in Miami back in March, the two developer evangelists for webOS (people that were hired explicitly to help sell and promote webOS to other developers) spent most of their presentation talking about developing device-agnostic mobile sites or working with the iPhone. webOS was only mentioned in passing. That’s not how you get people excited about wanting to use your product and improve your platform.
In order to succeed, HP must revamp Palm’s developer marketing strategy entirely. This means that development tools and terms need to be more accessible and that the process for getting into the official Palm Catalog needs to be more simple, less expensive and less restrictive than the competition.
Fortunately, HP doesn’t seem to be on a timeline. It’s investing in Palm and webOS for the long term. Hopefully that means the company will be able to nurture webOS and the Palm developers and really give the technology a chance to shine.
What do you think about the Palm-HP deal? Do you think HP has what it takes to make webOS viable? Let us know!
Tags: Hewlett-Packard, HP, palm, webOS
Top 10 Mobile Trends of 2010, Part 1: Design & Development http://bit.ly/c5jyiW
In a little under 3 weeks time, we will host our second unconference: the ReadWriteWeb Mobile Summit. It's a 1-day event at the lovely Computer History Museum, in Mountain View, California.
In preparation for the RWW Mobile Summit, we're going to outline the 10 leading trends of the Mobile Web in a 3-part series of posts. We'll delve more into these trends with you at the Summit, because our unconferences are all about audience participation. In this, the first post, we'll outline 3 important design and development issues for the Mobile Web.
Register now to discuss these and other topics at our unconference. The RWW Mobile Summit is being held on Friday 7 May, directly after the Web 2.0 Expo in San Francisco (2-6 May).
Just as businesses in the PC-based Web spent years in the 90's wondering if a desktop app or web browser based service was the best choice, in 2010 the same question applies to mobile phone applications. Organizations are asking themselves: should we build a native mobile phone app, or should we build a cross-platform browser-based mobile service? If they choose the former, which platform(s) do they focus on first? The choices include iPhone, Android, RIM, Palm, Windows Mobile and Symbian.
In February, mobile search company Taptu released a detailed report showing that the future of the Mobile Web is likely to be dominated by cross-platform browser-based mobile web sites - rather than apps built specifically for iPhone, Android, or any other platform. The company estimated that there were 326,000 Mobile Touch Web sites worldwide at that time, compared to 148,000 iPhone apps in the App Store and 24,000 apps in the Android market. What's more, Taptu expects the browser-based mobile web market to grow much faster than the app market.

One factor to consider is that both options, native app and browser site, still have something of a 'wild west' element to them. We can see evidence of this in the stand-off between Apple and Adobe over Flash on mobile phones. Apple's iPhone platform and its default mobile Safari browser do not run Adobe's Flash technology, despite Flash having an almost ubiquitous presence on desktop PCs. Apple has been pushing HTML5, the latest generation of the Web's mark-up language, as a replacement for much of the functionality in Flash. This battle is yet to be won - but it's not looking good for Adobe, because it's hard to bet against the next version of HTML.
Location-based mobile apps have been a big trend in 2010 (we'll cover this in Part 2 of this series), but there are significant privacy implications for these apps. Sites like Foursquare, BrightKite and Gowalla encourage their users to "check-in" to places, so that their social network knows where they are at any given time. While these apps have privacy controls that allow you to (for example) send a check-in update to just a select group of friends, a lot of times the updates are sent to the entire network.
In a recent analysis post, Sarah Perez asked: are location-based social networks privacy disasters waiting to happen? She added that many web and mobile apps are using location data now, including Google, Facebook and user review site Yelp.
The privacy dangers were highlighted earlier this year by a social experiment called PleaseRobMe, which displaying aggregated real-time updates from Foursquare users who used the social sharing feature to broadcast their updates publicly on Twitter. Although PleaseRobMe has since been shuttered, the point they were trying to make still resonates: sharing your physical location with a public network is potentially dangerous. For more details, read our February review of the short-lived PleaseRobMe.

Think your smart phone is cool now? Wait till it gets RFID chips, then it'll truly be 'smart.' That's the promise of two emerging RFID-based mobile technologies called NFC and DASH7.
NFC (Near Field Communication) holds great promise as an enabler of mobile payments. DASH7 is a wireless sensor networking standard that complements NFC; it will enable things like advanced location-based services, long-distance mobile advertising and mobile coupons.
Both NFC and DASH7 may soon be a part of the mobile phone that you carry around everywhere. Nokia already deploys NFC, and Apple and Google are rumored to be working on NFC implementation.

There are a group of other emerging mobile standards and technologies to look out for, such as WiMax, ZigBee and 4G. They all play an increasingly important part in the evolving Mobile ecosystem.
In Part 2 of this series outlining 10 big trends in Mobile in 2010, we look at Next Generation Apps.
We'd love to discuss these and other mobile topics with you at our ReadWriteWeb Mobile Summit 2010. See our announcement post for more details.
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DiscussTop 10 Mobile Trends of 2010, Part 1: Design & Development
- Rob DianaThe only question now: Who is going to buy them? I think they might be piecemealled off.
Palm Inc., creator of the Pre smartphone, put itself up for sale and is seeking bids for the company as early as this week, according to three people familiar with the situation.
Just guesses here: HTC (for the patents). HTC already has made a lot of Palm Phones. Motorola (for the OS) - they are getting screwed by HTC and Android.
Nokia already has Symbian and Maemo OSes. Microsoft got burned too badly with Danger. Blackberry just bought an OS company. Google has Android (but wouldn't hurt to have some more patents)….anyone else? Apple?
Who's buying, that's the question.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.comEngadget said HTC was interested earlier in the week
- LANjackalGoogle should buy them
- Glen, grandfather of FFGlen, no. Twitter should.
- imaboneheadI want to know where the value is in Palm besides the name and history. What could they offer? Patents?
- Louis GrayThis is a patent sale - the patent for their WebOS and User Interface is worth a lot, IMO
- Jesse StayI've been talking for years about "the internet operating system", but I realized I've never written an extended post to define what I think it is, where it is going, and the choices we face. This is that missing post. Here you will see the underlying beliefs about the future that are guiding my publishing program as well as the rationale behind conferences I organize like the Web 2.0 Summit and Web 2.0 Expo, the Where 2.0 Conference, and even the Gov 2.0 Summit and Gov 2.0 Expo.
Ask yourself for a moment, what is the operating system of a Google or Bing search? What is the operating system of a mobile phone call? What is the operating system of maps and directions on your phone? What is the operating system of a tweet?
On a standalone computer, operating systems like Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux manage the machine's resources, making it possible for applications to focus on the job they do for the user. But many of the activities that are most important to us today take place in a mysterious space between individual machines. Most people take for granted that these things just work, and complain when the daily miracle of instantaneous communications and access to information breaks down for even a moment.
But peel back the covers and remember that there is an enormous, worldwide technical infrastructure that is enabling the always-on future that we rush thoughtlessly towards.
When you type a search query into Google, the resources on your local computer - the keyboard where you type your query, the screen that displays the results, the networking hardware and software that connects your computer to the network, the browser that formats and forwards your request to Google's servers - play only a small role. What's more, they don't really matter much to the operation of the search - you can type your search terms into a browser on a Windows, Mac, or Linux machine, or into a smartphone running Symbian, or PalmOS, the Mac OS, Android, Windows Mobile, or some other phone operating system.
The resources that are critical to this operation are mostly somewhere else: in Google's massive server farms, where proprietary Google software farms out your request (one of millions of simultaneous requests) to some subset of Google's servers, where proprietary Google software processes a massive index to return your results in milliseconds.
Then there's the IP routing software on each system between you and Google's data center (you didn't think you were directly connected to Google did you?), the majority of it running on Cisco equipment; the mostly open source Domain Name System, a network of lookup servers that not only allowed your computer to connect to google.com in the first place (rather than typing an IP address like 74.125.19.106), but also steps in to help your computer access whatever system out there across the net holds the web pages you are ultimately looking for; the protocols of the web itself, which allow browsers on client computers running any local operating system (perhaps we'd better call it a bag of device drivers) to connect to servers running any other operating system.
You might argue that Google search is just an application that happens to run on a massive computing cluster, and that at bottom, Linux is still the operating system of that cluster. And that the internet and web stacks are simply a software layer implemented by both your local computer and remote applications like Google.
But wait. It gets more interesting. Now consider doing that Google search on your phone, using Google's voice search capability. You speak into your phone, and Google's speech recognition service translates the sound of your voice into text, and passes that text on to the search engine - or, on an Android phone, to any other application that chooses to listen. Someone familiar with speech recognition on the PC might think that the translation is happening on the phone, but no, once again, it's happening on Google's servers. But wait. There's more. Google improves the accuracy of its speech recognition by comparing what the speech algorithms think you said with what its search system (think "Google suggest") expects you were most likely to say. Then, because your phone knows where you are, Google filters the results to find those most relevant to your location.
Your phone knows where you are. How does it do that? "It's got a GPS receiver," is the facile answer. But if it has a GPS receiver, that means your phone is getting its position information by reaching out to a network of satellites originally put up by the US military. It may also be getting additional information from your mobile carrier that speeds up the GPS location detection. It may instead be using "cell tower triangulation" to measure your distance from the nearest cellular network towers, or even doing a lookup from a database that maps wifi hotspots to GPS coordinates. (These databases have been created by driving every street and noting the location and strength of every Wi-Fi signal.) The iPhone relies on the Skyhook Wireless service to perform these lookups; Google has its own equivalent, doubtless created at the same time as it created the imagery for Google Streetview.
But whichever technique is being used, the application is relying on network-available facilities, not just features of your phone itself. And increasingly, it's hard to claim that all of these intertwined features are simply an application, even when they are provided by a single company, like Google.
Keep following the plot. What mobile app (other than casual games) exists solely on the phone? Virtually every application is a network application, relying on remote services to perform its function.
Where is the "operating system" in all this? Clearly, it is still evolving. Applications use a hodgepodge of services from multiple different providers to get the information they need.
But how different is this from PC application development in the early 1980s, when every application provider wrote their own device drivers to support the hodgepodge of disks, ports, keyboards, and screens that comprised the still emerging personal computer ecosystem? Along came Microsoft with an offer that was difficult to refuse: We'll manage the drivers; all application developers have to do is write software that uses the Win32 APIs, and all of the complexity will be abstracted away.
It was. Few developers write device drivers any more. That is left to device manufacturers, with all the messiness hidden by "operating system vendors" who manage the updates and often provide generic APIs for entire classes of device. Those vendors who took on the pain of managing complexity ended up with a powerful lock-in. They created the context in which applications have worked ever since.
This is the crux of my argument about the internet operating system. We are once again approaching the point at which the Faustian bargain will be made: simply use our facilities, and the complexity will go away. And much as happened during the 1980s, there is more than one company making that promise. We're entering a modern version of "the Great Game", the rivalry to control the narrow passes to the promised future of computing. (John Battelle calls them "points of control".) This rivalry is seen most acutely in mobile applications that rely on internet services as back-ends. As Nick Bilton of the New York Times described it in a recent article comparing the Google Nexus One and the iPhone:
Chad Dickerson, chief technology officer of Etsy, received a pre-launch Nexus One from Google three weeks ago. He says Google's phone feels connected to certain services on the Web in a way the iPhone doesn't. "Compared to the iPhone, the Google phone feels like it's part of the Internet to me," he said. "If you live in a Google world, you have that world in your pocket in a way that's cleaner and more connected than the iPhone."
The same thing applies to the iPhone. If you're a MobileMe, iPhoto, iTunes or Safari user, the iPhone connects effortlessly to your pictures, contacts, bookmarks and music. But if you use other services, you sometimes need to find software workarounds to get access to your content.
In comparison, with the Nexus One, if you use GMail, Google Calendar or Picasa, Google's online photo storage software, the phone connects effortlessly to these services and automatically syncs with a single log-in on the phone.
The phones work perfectly with their respective software, but both of them don't make an effort to play nice with other services.
Never mind the technical details of whether the Internet really has an operating system or not. It's clear that in mobile, we're being presented with a choice of platforms that goes far beyond the operating system on the handheld device itself.
With that preamble, let's take a look at the state of the Internet Operating System - or rather, competing Internet Operating Systems - as they exist today.
As a result, it's easy to jump to the conclusion that "cloud computing" platforms like Amazon Web Services, Google App Engine, or Microsoft Azure, which provide developers with access to storage and computation, are the heart of the emerging Internet Operating System.
Cloud infrastructure services are indeed important, but to focus on them is to make the same mistake as Lotus did when it bet on DOS remaining the operating system standard rather than the new GUI-based interfaces. After all, Graphical User Interfaces weren't part of the "real" operating system, but just another application-level construct. But even though for years, Windows was just a thin shell over DOS, Microsoft understood that moving developers to higher levels of abstraction was the key to making applications easier to use.
But what are these higher levels of abstraction? Are they just features that hide the details of virtual machines in the cloud, insulating the developer from managing scaling or hiding details of 1990s-era operating system instances in cloud virtual machines?
The underlying services accessed by applications today are not just device components and operating system features, but data subsystems: locations, social networks, indexes of web sites, speech recognition, image recognition, automated translation. It's easy to think that it's the sensors in your device - the touch screen, the microphone, the GPS, the magnetometer, the accelerometer - that are enabling their cool new functionality. But really, these sensors are just inputs to massive data subsystems living in the cloud.
When, for example, as an iPhone developer, you use the iPhone's Core Location Framework to establish the phone's location, you aren't just querying the sensor, you're doing a cloud data lookup against the results, transforming GPS coordinates into street addresses, or perhaps transforming WiFi signal strength into GPS coordinates, and then into street addresses. When the Amazon app or Google Goggles scans a barcode, or the cover of a book, it isn't just using the camera with onboard image processing, it's passing the image to much more powerful image processing in the cloud, and then doing a database lookup on the results.
Increasingly, application developers don't do low-level image recognition, speech recognition, location lookup, social network management and friend connect. They place high level function calls to data-rich platforms that provide these services.
With that in mind, let's consider what new subsystems a "modern" Internet Operating System might contain:
However, not all search is as complex as web search. For example, an e-commerce site like Amazon doesn't need to constantly crawl other sites to discover their products; it has a more constrained retrieval problem of finding only web pages that it manages itself. Nonetheless, search is fractal, and search infrastructure is replicated again and again at many levels across the internet. This suggests that there are future opportunities in harnessing distributed, specialized search engines to do more complete crawls than can be done by any single centralized player. For example, Amazon harnesses data visible only to them, such as the rate of sales, as well as data they publish, such as the number and value of customer reviews, in ranking the most popular products.
In addition to web search, there are many specialized types of media search. For example, any time you put a music CD into an internet-connected drive, it immediately looks up the track names in CDDB using a kind of fingerprint produced by the length and sequence of each of the tracks on the CD. Other types of music search, like the one used by cell phone applications like Shazam, look up songs by matching their actual acoustic fingerprint. Meanwhile, Pandora's "music genome project" finds similar songs via a complex of hundreds of different factors as analyzed by professional musicians.
Many of the search techniques developed for web pages rely on the rich implied semantics of linking, in which every link is a vote, and votes from authoritative sources are ranked more highly than others. This is a kind of implicit user-contributed metadata that is not present when searching other types of content, such as digitized books. There, search remains in the same brute-force dark ages as web search before Google. We can expect significant breakthroughs in search techniques for books, video, images, and sound to be a feature of the future evolution of the Internet OS.
The techniques of algorithmic search are an essential part of the developer's toolkit today. The O'Reilly book Programming Collective Intelligence reviews many of the algorithms and techniques. But there's no question that this kind of low-level programming is ripe for a higher-level solution, in which developers just place a call to a search service, and return the results. Thus, search moves from application to system call.
The recent moves by News Corp to place their newspapers behind a paywall, as well as the paid application and content marketplace of the iPhone and iPad suggests that the ability to manage access to content is going to be more important, rather than less, in the years ahead. We're largely past the knee-jerk "keep it off the net" reactions of old school DRM; companies are going to be exploring more nuanced ways to control access to content, and the platform provider that has the most robust systems (and consumer expectations) for paid content is going to be in a very strong position.
In the world of the App Store, paid applications and paid content are re-legitimizing access control (and payment.) Don't assume that advertising will continue to be the only significant way to monetize internet content in the years ahead.
Expect these features to be pushed first by independent companies, like TweetStats or Peoplebrowsr Analytics for Twitter, or Flurry for mobile apps. GoodData, a cloud-based business intelligence platform is being used for analytics on everything from Salesforce applications to online games. (Disclosure: I am an investor and on the board of GoodData.) But eventually, via acquisition or imitation, they will become part of the major platforms.
Communications providers from the Internet world are now on a collision course with communications providers from the telephony world. For now, there are uneasy alliances right and left. But it isn't going to be pretty once the battle for control comes out into the open.
I expect the communications directory service to be one of the key battlefronts. Who will manage the lookup service that allows individuals and businesses to find and connect to each other? The phone and email address books will eventually merge with the data from social networks to provide a rich set of identity infrastructure services.
But as hinted at above, there are other rich sources of social data - and I'm not just talking about applications like Twitter that include explicit social graphs. Every communications provider owns a treasure trove of social data. Microsoft has piles of social data locked up in Exchange, Outlook, Hotmail, Active Directory, and Sharepoint. Google has social data not just from Orkut (an also-ran in the US) but from Gmail and Google Docs, whose "sharing" is another name for "meaningful source of workgroup-level social graph data." And of course, now, there's the social graph data produced by the address book on every Android phone...
The breakthroughs that we need to look forward to may not come from explicitly social applications. In fact, I see "me too" social networking applications from those who have other sources of identity data as a sign that they don't really understand the platform opportunity. Building a social network to rival Facebook or Twitter is far less important to the future of the Internet platform than creating facilities that will allow third-party developers to leverage the social data that companies like Google, Microsoft, Yahoo!, AOL - and phone companies like ATT, Verizon and T-Mobile - have produced through years or even decades of managing user's social data for communications.
Of course, use of this data will require breakthroughs in privacy mechanism and policy. As Nat Torkington wrote in email after reviewing an earlier draft of this post:
We still face the problem of "friend": my Docs social graph is different from my email social graph is different from my Facebook social graph is different from my address book. I want to be able to complain about work to my friends without my coworkers seeing it, and the usability-vs-privacy problem remains unsolved.
Whoever cracks this code, providing frameworks that make it possible for applications to be functionally social without being socially promiscuous, will win. Platform providers are in a good position to solve this problem once, so that users don't have to give credentials to a larger and larger pool of application providers, with little assurance that the data they provide won't be misused.
PayPal obviously plays an important role as an internet payment subsystem that's already in wide use by developers. It operates in 190 countries, in 19 different currencies (not counting in-game micro-currencies) and it has over 185 million accounts. What's fascinating is the rich developer ecosystem they've built around payment - their recent developer conference had over 2000 attendees. Their challenge is to make the transition from the web to mobile.
Google Checkout has been a distant also-ran in web payments, but the Android Market has given it new prominence in mobile, and will eventually make it a first class internet payment subsystem.
Amazon too has a credible payment offering, though until recently they haven't deployed it to full effect, reserving the best features for their own e-commerce site and not making them available to developers. (More on that in next week's post, in which I will handicap the leading platform offerings from major internet vendors.)
Google's dominance of search advertising has involved better algorithmic placement, as well as the ability to predict, in real time, how often an ad will be clicked on, allowing them to optimize the advertising yield. The Google Ad Auction system is the heart of their economic value proposition, and demonstrates just how much difference a technical edge can make.
And advertising has always been a platform play. Signs that it will be a key battleground of the Internet OS can be seen in the competing acquisition of AdMob by Google and Quattro Wireless by Apple.
The question is the extent to which platform companies will use their advertising capabilities as a system service. Will they treat these assets as the source of competitive advantage for their own products, or will they find ways to deploy advertising as a business model for developers on their platform?
Maps and directions on the phone are intrinsically cloud services - unlike with dedicated GPS devices, there's not enough local storage to keep all the relevant maps on hand. But when turned into a cloud application, maps and directions can include other data, such as real-time traffic (indeed, traffic data collected from the very applications that are requesting traffic updates - a classic example of "collective intelligence" at work.)
Location is also the search key for countless database lookup services, from Google's "search along route" to a Yelp search for nearby cafes to the Chipotle app routing your lunch request to the restaurant near you.
In many ways, Location is the Internet data subsystem that is furthest along in its development as a system service accessible to all applications, with developers showing enormous creativity in using it in areas from augmented reality to advertising. (Understanding that this would be the case, I launched the Where 2.0 Conference in 2005. There are lessons to be learned in the location market for all Internet entrepreneurs, not just "geo" geeks, as techniques developed here will soon be applied in many other areas.)
We thus see convergence between Location and social media concepts like Activity Streams. Platform providers that understand and exploit this intersection will be in a stronger position than those who see location only in traditional terms.
"Real time" - as in the real-time search provided by Twitter, the "where am I now" pointer on a map, the automated replenishment of inventory at WalMart, or instant political polling - emphasizes just how much the future will belong to those who measure response time in milliseconds, or even microseconds, rather than seconds, hours, or days. This need for speed is going to be a major driver of platform services; individual applications will have difficulty keeping up.
With the advent of smartphone apps like Google Goggles and the Amazon e-commerce app, which deploy advanced image recognition to scan bar codes, book covers, album covers and more - not to mention gaming platforms like Microsoft's still unreleased Project Natal and innovative startups like Affective Interfaces, it's clear that computer vision is going to be an important part of the UI toolkit for future developers. While there are good computer vision packages like OpenCV that can be deployed locally for robotics applications, as well as research projects like those competing in the DARPA Grand Challenge for automated vehicles, for smartphone applications, image recognition, like speech recognition, happens in the cloud. Not only is there a wealth of compute cycles, there are also vast databases of images for matching purposes. Picasa and Flickr are no longer just consumer image sharing sites: they are vast repositories of tagged image data that can be used to train algorithms and filter results.
Long before recent initiatives like data.gov, governments have been a key supplier of data for internet applications. Everything from weather, maps, satellite imagery, GPS positioning, and SEC filings to crime reports have played an important role in successful internet applications. Now, government is also a recipient of crowdsourced data from citizens. For example, FixMyStreet and SeeClickFix submit 311 reports to local governments - potholes that need filling, graffiti that needs repainting, streetlights that are out. These applications have typically overloaded existing communications channels like email and SMS, but there are now attempts to standardize an Open311 web services protocol.
Now, a new flood of government data is being released, and the government is starting to see itself as a platform provider, providing facilities for private sector third parties to build applications. This idea of Government as a Platform is a key focus of my advocacy about Government 2.0.
There is huge opportunity to apply the lessons of Web 2.0 and apply them to government data. Take health care as an example. How might we improve our healthcare system if Medicare provided a feedback loop about costs and outcomes analogous to the one that Google built for search keyword advertising.
Anyone building internet data applications would be foolish to underestimate the role that government is going to play in this unfolding story, both as provider and consumer of data web services, and also as regulator in key areas like privacy, access, and interstate commerce.
This is why Apple's iPad, Google's ChromeOS, and HTML 5 (plus initiatives like Google's Native Client) are so important. Microsoft isn't far wrong in its cloud computing vision of "Software Plus Services." The full operating system stack includes back end infrastructure, the data subsystems highlighted in this article, and rich front-ends.
Apple and Microsoft largely have visions of vertically integrated systems; Google's vision seems to be for open source driving front end interfaces, while back end services are owned by Google. But in each case, there's a major drive to own a front-end experience that favors each company's back-end systems.
I believe that these functions are evolving at each of the cloud platforms. Tools like memcache or mapreduce are the rough cloud equivalents of virtual memory or multiprocessing features in a traditional operating system. But they are only the beginning. Werner Vogels' post Eventually Consistent highlights some of the hard technical issues that will need to be solved for an internet-scale operating system. There are many more.
But it's also clear that there are many opportunities to build higher level functionality that will be required for a true Internet Operating System.
Might an operating system of the future manage when and how data is collected about individuals, what applications can access it, and how they might use it? Might it not automatically synchronize data between devices and applications? Might it do automatic translation, and automatic format conversion between different media types? Might such an operating system do predictive analytics to collect or locally cache data that it expects an individual user or device to need? Might such an operating system do "garbage collection" not of memory pointers but of outdated data or spam? Might it not perform credit checks before issuing payments and suspend activity for those who violate terms of service?
There is a great opportunity for developers with vision to build forward-looking platforms that aim squarely at our connected future, that provide applications running on any device with access to rich new sources of intelligence and capability. The possibilities are endless. There will be many failed experiments, many successes that will be widely copied, a lot of mergers and acquisitions, and fierce competition between companies with different strengths and weaknesses.
Next week, I'll handicap the leading players and tell you what I think of their respective strategies.
The State of the Internet Operating System - O'Reilly Radar http://oreil.ly/bMiuNV
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This is remarkable. I feel, though, that there's got to be another story here about why these ad #'s are representative of web traffic.
- felixI hope Nokia gets it right with this one: Nokia N8-00 12MP smartphone breaks cover http://bit.ly/cHaaxl
Remember the tipped Nokia N8-00 flagship smartphone expected to launch this summer? Well, how about some supposedly live photos of the device itself; according to IT168 – who refer to it as the N98 – you’re looking at the phone’s 3.5-inch capacitive touchscreen, 12-megapixel camera with Carl Zeiss optics and HDMI output.

The N8-00 is expected to run Symbian ^3, and judging by the photos is a touchscreen-only device with no slide-out QWERTY keyboard as we’ve seen on other recent Nokia smartphones. It also has a front-facing video camera and proximity sensor, as well as an ambient light sensor that’s presumably used for adjusting backlighting.
The display – which IT168 say could actually be 4-inches, not 3.5 – is believed to run at WVGA resolution. There’s also a Xenon flash. It’s an interesting device, but we’ve been burnt by Nokia – we’re thinking of the N97 – before; we’ll be waiting until the summer and our first hands-on before we pass judgement.
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Opera for the iPhone? We Sure Hope So. http://bit.ly/aNOzCp
At the time of this writing, it's been just over two hours, 21 minutes and 14 seconds since Opera submitted Opera Mini to Apple for inclusion in the iTunes App Store.
How do we know this? Opera is putting Apple's notoriously slow response time and browser monopoly on center stage today as part of its announcement that it is coming to the iPhone.
Opera first announced that it was planning to bring its mobile browser to the iPhone at the beginning of February. As we noted then, Apple's response is uncertain, as it has yet to allow any browsers that use alternative rendering engines on the iPhone. While other apps work on top of Safari, there are no other independent browsers.
Opera Mini is already available for Symbian and Android and Mozilla has been working on apps for Android and Windows Mobile.
A primary difference between Opera and Safari is the browser's server-side rendering, which downloads a web page to a server and compresses it before sending it to the client, in this case your phone, for viewing. This method can reduce page load-times dramatically and could be even more important for mobile browsing than it is for web viewing at home.
The following sneak-peek video shows a full-featured, tabbed browser that certainly looks a lot faster than Apple's native Safari.
Even if we end up trying Opera Mini and decide to stick with Safari, in the end we feel it's always better to have options when it comes to software and platforms. But then again, that's not exactly what Apple is known for, is it?
Hopefully, Opera Mini will pass muster and it will be the beginning of the browser revolution for the iPhone - or, at very least, we'll have two browsers to choose from.
DiscussOpera for the iPhone? We Sure Hope So.
- Niklas SjostromIf you’d asked the developers at Big in Japan if they were making a version of their popular ShopSavvy app for webOS, they’d tell you that they wished they could. If you asked them this week, however, you’d be happy to hear that not only they now can, but they intend to do so. In a response on the Get Satisfaction boards, Big in Japan developer Alexander Muse posted the following just a few days ago:
"We have confirmed we can build a ShopSavvy version for the Pre. Now we just need some time to build it."
Not familiar with ShopSavvy? It’s an app that lets you, well, be a savvy shopper. With ShopSavvy you take a picture of a product’s bar code, ShopSavvy scans it and returns pricing for that same product at both online and local stores. Pretty simple and straightforward, but still incredibly useful. And popular, on Android, iPhone, and Symbian S60. Check out the demo video above - yeah, it’s Android, but at the very least you can see how it works.
Thanks to jpgiv for the tip!
Great post by @harrymcracken on the slow death of the web site http://j.mp/aoxFyB
The way in which we interact with technology has changed dramatically over the past few years. The era of light computing has begun, and social media is big enough that the average person can shape perceptions. A Web site is no longer the most meaningful way for us to interact to tell companies about their products or to use online services.
Smartphones are selling in droves, and people are using apps rather than visiting Web sites for everything from buying movie tickets to checking stocks. At any given time, it is likely that conversations about big businesses are happening on Facebook, Twitter and other social media, and those conversations can be initiated by anyone from anywhere.
This week, Apple announced that a 13 year old from Connecticut had downloaded the billionth iPhone app. Over 34 million iPhones have been sold to date, and sales of Android smartphones are surging.
What’s more, smartphones have become more affordable, as economies are scale are reached and competition heats up among platforms.
Developers are focusing on Android and the iPhone, which provide excellent tools for writing apps. Microsoft is reinvesting in Windows Mobile in a big way, Symbian has become open source, and an industry effort has begun to deliver standardized Web apps that work across platforms.
The momentum of smartphones has become irreversible, and so has the resulting change in consumer behavior. I use a Twitter app to tweet on my iPhone instead of logging into the Twitter Web site. If I’m in a rush, I’ll buy movie tickets with Fandango’s app– it’s a lot easier than zooming in to see the tiny buttons and fields on its Web site.
Web sites don’t cut it functionally, nor are they longer the best way for businesses to reach people on the Web. A mobile Web site is not the answer either, and here’s why –they limit imagination, and hence the potential to interact with customers.
One of the top selling iPhone apps is “I Am T-Pain.” T-Pain is a musician who is famous for using the auto-tune to distort his voice. The app lets people sing into their iPhones so that their voice sounds like his. A Web site gives T-Pain a presence on the Internet, but it couldn’t offer T-Pain the same recognition that his app provides.
It is also shortsighted for businesses to assume that a Web site will offer a clear picture of customers’ desires, or that the world’s greatest experts on your products are working for it. Sometimes we know better as consumers. Businesses can’t and should not prevent it from happening, but they can join the dialog.
Social CRM is an emerging discipline that recognizes that the traditional two-way channel of communication between business and customer should include interactions among customers themselves. Numerous start ups including Bantam Live and established vendors such as Salesforce offer solutions to make that possible.
Good luck having that same interaction on a company’s Web site. It likely won’t happen in corporate-run forums. Companies including Comcast recognize this, and have begun to address customers through Twitter. We can only hope that they are really listening.
How people access information is changing. It’s time for businesses to think big while thinking small to provide us with the best possible service.
Why Worldwide Smartphone Sales Figures Matter to You http://bit.ly/aqZSIK from @jkontherun
Gartner today reported its worldwide smartphone share findings and it’s more of the same for those watching the numbers. For months we’ve seen smartphone stalwart platforms like Symbian and Windows Mobile lose out to the relative upstarts. Research In Motion’s BlackBerry, Apple’s iPhone and Google’s Android operating systems all gained ground. Palm’s rejuvenation with webOS also grabbed a little piece of the pie, which should continue as Palm partners with new carriers.
There are two aspects difficult to see from the above graph I built from Gartner’s numbers. It can be confusing to see a higher red value because it looks like a platform has grown. In fact, this case shows the decline of a platform as red indicates 2008 market share, while blue is for 2009 share. The other item is the percentage growth or decline for each platform. Here are the actual market share numbers from Gartner, along with the percentage change over the prior year. These numbers clearly show who’s growing, and by how much, as compared to those whose shares are eroding.
The percentages add credence to the newer platforms gaining at the expense of the older ones. But why should you even care about this as a consumer? What do market share numbers have to do with your own personal smartphone purchase?
There are a number of factors, but I think the main one is software. I’ve harped on this point before, but it bears repeating in light of the Gartner numbers. Developers are following the sales figures because the better selling platforms offer a wider audience interested in the apps being developed and sold. Yes, there are other factors as noted in our recent GigaOm Pro Research report on what developers are considering for mobile platforms (subscription required), but this one is key. And the number of apps for a handset — and more importantly, the quality of those titles — can make a particular device more appealing to you.
Let me offer a real-world application of this concept. I own both an iPhone and an Android handset. I’m considering leaving one or the other to reduce my monthly bills. But right now, there are key and unique applications on each platform that the other doesn’t offer. So I’m in a holding pattern because in some cases there isn’t an equally functional and equivalent app on the one platform or the other. A perfect example is my long-time usage of RunKeeper for the iPhone to track my workouts. I haven’t just invested in a software title — I’ve invested in a platform because my data is tabulated on the RunKeeper website. (Note that RunKeeper is working on an Android version of their software.) Could I switch to SportyPal for Android? Sure, but how do I move my training history from one platform to another? My entire decision process is based on the software — much like it was for many Windows users years ago that couldn’t migrate to Mac due to non-equivalent software tool choices. And this just one of several possible examples.
Is your everyday, average consumer limited by the apps on a particular platform? Probably not if they’re moving from a feature phone to a smartphone as many are. After all, these folks don’t yet have experience with the different platforms to see which apps are offered and which are “missing.” But if you’re familiar with smartphones, I think there’s an app constraint that either does or could affect your handset purchase decisions. Thoughts?
Symbian lost some percentage, true, but the total number of sold devices grew. More people use smartphones and mobile web, and platforms like Android (who's soon gonna take over Apple) are being adopted by masses who didn't use these technologies before. With the launch of Symbian^3 and then Symbian^4 I bet the share will improve again confirming earlier preditions of Symbian keeping first place followed by Android in 2012.
Still no sense in seeing developers concentrating only on iPhone which keeps a small percentage of devices and mobile web worldwide.
- FlavioSmartphones in 2009: Symbian Dominates, iPhone, RIM and Android Rising Fast - http://bit.ly/aLC03X
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- Leo LaporteYou forgot PALM webOS!!
- Ken SheppardsonWould you like to share a bath or would you like to bath-a-lone-a
- Johnny WorthingtonAsk for Room 404, they usually speak english
- Johnny WorthingtonWhat do people use multi-tasking for on Symbian phones
- Johnny WorthingtonLet me think. An example of a real-world use case from a Symbian user: Listening to music (and optionally Scrobbling it) in the background whilst Web browsing, running a Twitter client, using Push IMAP, and using an IRC client. You can't do that on a lousy iPhone, and on Android, you'd have stuttering audio, and your battery would go flat quickly. Not so on the Symbian Platform, if that answers your question.
- Tyson KeyTry taking a photo whilst listening to music on an Android device too - you'll get a useless image, and skipping or paused audio, thanks to the fact that the underlying kernel and other subsystems aren't tuned very well. (See http://dw2blog.com/2010/02/10/the-mobile-multitasking-advantage/ where that's discussed in detail).
- Tyson KeyOh, and you don't have to resort to a load of unsupported, warranty-voiding hacks to use tethering, change the home screen wallpaper or install software from an "unofficial" source. Video recording, MMS, copy-and-paste, and other useful features have been supported for eons, too.
- Tyson KeyLive now: This Week In Google live from Austin with Jeff Jarvis, Gina Trapani, and a host of others. http://live.twit.tv.
- Leo LaporteBuzz?
- Charbaxbuzz.google.com redirects to gmail.com
- CharbaxI just got done watching the impromptu (off twit) nsfwshow from last night http://nsfwshow.com - hilarity ensues (really nsfw, not for the humor deficient)
- Chris HeathPer Gina: http://SitBy.us
- Ken SheppardsonHey TWiG !!11
- MatthewI want HD streams of NFL games
- MatthewWasn't Miles O'Bryan an engineer on the Next Generation
- Matthewlooks like google is 99.9% sure they'll shut down in china http://thenextweb.com/search/2010/03/13/google-leaving-china/
- Chris HeathThis was a really good show. Jeff and Gina both highlighted things I'd never have thought of. Maybe more participants give them time to think? They say good stuff on a lot of shows, particularly Jeff, but this was an exceptional show.
- Fergal BarryLive now: This Week In Google 35 with Jeff Jarvis, Gina Trapani, and Kevin Marks. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here...
- Leo LaporteYou should save this for the show :-/
- Ken SheppardsonWhats up TWi
- Matthewerrrrr. TWiG
- MatthewSounds like a huge industry for censorship. Jobs Jobs Jobs.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.comis TWiT blocked in China?
- Christopher Harrisjeff said this on BBC the other day :)
- Christopher HarrisGoogle needs to set the precedent of keeping information open for them to organize. If China wins we'll see a lot more of such efforts which would damage Google.
- Todd Hoffyou can help people in china and iran etc get access to the internet with this http://www.civisec.org/software/psiphon
- XenophreniaThat's terrible.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.comI've been the victim of data molestation.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.comlike
- Eric @ CSTechcast.comMost people don't understand the stakes.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.comthis is so far the "PR" photo of the Year
- MatthewOver-analysis in over-drive.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.comThis is at the corner of El Camino and Emarcadero. Town & Country
- Ken SheppardsonTotally planned.
- Ken SheppardsonSuper-powers signing a treaty? Starbucks the new Camp David?
- Eric @ CSTechcast.comI don't believe iPad will make money selling that content.
- Francine HardawayThis would have been good 5 years ago
- MatthewL O L
- Eric @ CSTechcast.comQuality isn't free... or at least not for long.
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)Some of these apps will essentially be a bookmark to the web site. Why should you install an app for that?
- Eric @ CSTechcast.comEnough people paid for quality entertainment, even when commercial entertainment was available. I think enough people are willing to pay for reliable, quality news and information, as the noise level continues to rise.
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)How Long Do People Think It will be in china
- Richard ThomsonLive now: This Week In Tech with @Jason Calacanis, Brian @shwood Brushwood, and @PatrickNorton. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here...
- Leo LaporteSprint is not and never will be "back"
- Ken SheppardsonYou can be super fast but super fast divided between a lot of people is still slow
- Johnny WorthingtonLeaps forward for who? Servicing the uber-geeks is a small part of their market.
- Johnny WorthingtonMaybe he is sick of being held to a fire that he isn't sitting around.
- Johnny WorthingtonHe produces toasters. He is being criticized for not making an oven.
- Johnny WorthingtonI can get porn on my iPhone, but I don't have to deal with porn if I don't want to
- Johnny WorthingtonOh come on Jason - admit it. It's all marketing for you. Of course the open web can be good for commenting. What you're doing is different though - that's why you do it.
- Jesse StayAsk Jason how much traffic he got from that last post
- Jesse StayBut those 4,000 Harvard students gave their info to a 19 year old kid... Who is the dumb one here?
- Johnny Worthington"I don't trust Zuckerberg" - when was the last time Calacanis even talked to Zuckerberg?
- Jesse StayNow Jason's getting more traffic because he's able to promote it all on TWiT. This is ridiculous. Where's the guy from the other side of the table in this conversation?
- Jesse StayOr they don't care
- Johnny WorthingtonYeah - I'm not sure Leo even reads FriendFeed any more, does he?
- Jesse Stay...
- Johnny WorthingtonLeo, don't blame Facebook - it will become public because your friends can always make it public. That can happen anywhere.
- Jesse Stay$170,000 / $10 = 17,000
- Johnny WorthingtonRemember the groups built where friends share pictures their drunk friends posted to Facebook? That wasn't Facebook's problem.
- Jesse StayAnd that was 3 years ago
- Jesse StayFacebook has "no product"???
- Jesse StayI admit I'm losing a lot of respect of TWiT from all this. Leo is much better than this.
- Jesse StayHow do you fund that?
- Johnny WorthingtonThese are 4 guys that hate Facebook. Not sure I can watch this any more. Where's the unbiased reporting?
- Jesse Stayopinion pieces are not reporting, they're opinion pieces. there's a difference.
- Joe Silence (circumspect)Joe, but Leo's much more than just opinion. He produces shows that show an unbiased review of various products on the web. He's a reputable journalist, not just an opinion guy (until recently it seems).
- Jesse Stay12 people who aren't quitting Facebook http://www.johnnyworthington.com/?p=678
- Johnny Worthington@Jesse: perhaps, but this is his opinion here, not reporting. important to keep in mind.
- Joe Silence (circumspect)Joe, I understand that, but Leo's not opinion. This is completely changing my desire to watch TWiT any more. I used to watch/listen because I could get an unbiased review of all the latest products and tools on the web.
- Jesse Stayvote with your feet, then. we all do.
- Joe Silence (circumspect)Joe, I just turned it off - I wish he'd get people that could argue this on the majority side. He's making it sound like those 4 are the majority.
- Jesse StayNot everyone is an early adopter
- Johnny Worthingtonthere's a number of us "turning off" Facebook, too. voting with our feet. same idea. we don't like it anymore. if it works for you and you're fine with their policies, fine. if not. well, i scaled way back and am ready to jump ship at any time. whatever works for your needs.
- Joe Silence (circumspect)I'm sure Leo's numbers are through the roof after this. Being controversial brings great ratings. I'm very disappointed.
- Jesse Stayno worse than other sites.
- Joe Silence (circumspect)Joe, that's my point though. Leo's *better* than "other sites".
- Jesse StayAgain, 4,000 people gave their private info to a kid...
- Johnny WorthingtonJohnny, they gave it to an adult, who just happens to be damn slimy.
- Jimminy, CoG of FFJimminy, you're revealing your age ;-)
- Jesse StayFunnily enough, Jimminy, that doesn't change anything. They gave private info to a person they didn't know... http://www.johnnyworthington.com/?p=683
- Johnny WorthingtonJesse, I'm only 20, and I understand right from wrong, the biggest stumbling block in wanting to build a service, is my personal need to protect my users information.
- Jimminy, CoG of FFJimminy, I thought I was an adult when I was 19, too ;-)
- Jesse StayJohnny, everyone gives information out private information all the time. You go to a restaurant and use your debit or credit card, there is a huge bit of personal information, that you just gave to someone you don't know.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF"understand right from wrong" != being in business.
- Johnny WorthingtonExactly. But there are protections.
- Johnny WorthingtonJohnny, I never said anything about business. So what are you talking about Johnny? You love throwing random meaningless shit out.
- Jimminy, CoG of FFAnd you love not getting things. You can speak about ethics till the cows come home but a 19 year old kid has NO concept of the cut and thrust and the tempting corruption of power and money.
- Johnny WorthingtonJohnny, sure there are protections, but even if they don't exist that doesn't mean you can't trust someone, and it sure as hell doesn't mean you can't trust someone because they are young.
- Jimminy, CoG of FFI don't think attacking someones age is going to help your arguments Johnny and Jesse.. it just lowers the value of what your saying.
- CW™Don't take this issue personally Jimminy. You are not the standard for a 19/20 year old.
- Johnny WorthingtonCW, I'm not attacking Jimminy. I was 19 once, too, and I made a whole lot of dumb decisions back then.
- Jesse StayJohnny, obviously you know nothing, I've been in possession of Fortune 500 CEO's card numbers and private information. If I really wanted, I could have swiped this data. I was 18 when I was handling this kind of info.
- Jimminy, CoG of FFCW, but expecting a 19 year old to have the same level of understanding about business and power as a 50 year old corporate head is a important point
- Johnny Worthington"Don't take this issue personally Jimminy. You are not the standard for a 19/20 year old"
- Johnny WorthingtonYour not 50 years old either Johnny. When you get to be that age and a CEO of a large company then maybe you can talk about this. Until then you are just attempting to understand which is what Jimminy is doing at his point in life.
- CW™Johnny, and when does someone reach the point where they can handle the concept of cut and thrust and tempting corruption of power and money? 25-28.
- Jimminy, CoG of FFHonestly, that's what privacy policies are for. I don't think any of us can trust ourselves enough to not at least think about it, no matter what age (although I argue the younger you are the harder that decision is to make). Privacy policies, and Terms of Use keep us in check.
- Jesse StayPlus, I'm the manager of a 2.5 million dollar export account. What I knew when i was 19 in regards to business to now (30) you could fill a encyclopedia. I also know smart 20 year olds. I know some smart 15 year olds. I also know some slimy 45 year old managers. What I'm saying is while not excusing Facebook's actions, trusting your private data to a 19 year old is a risky idea, especially when you don't know them or their personality. Power corrupts. Assuming everyone will be happy and trustworthy is wrong. Early adopters are risk takers and trust flashy logos.
- Johnny WorthingtonNow Jason's bragging on Twitter how many subscribers his e-mail list has. Has the show even ended yet?
- Jesse StayJohnny, you do understand the mechanics behind Facebook though, noone had to know who was behind it, they people who were, were all 18-24, and they were invited by people they did trust and did know. All Zuckerberg would have had to do is seed the service with people he knew.
- Jimminy, CoG of FFCW, Jimminy is also trying to say that he is the standard for 19 year olds. I am not attacking him, I am just pointing out that while he is a smart guy with lots of responsibility, he is the exception, not the rule.
- Johnny WorthingtonThat's my point.
- Johnny WorthingtonJohnny, I know I'm not standard, but anyone willing to start a business at a young age isn't standard either. This doesn't mean they are morally sound either.
- Jimminy, CoG of FFOK, I admit I am being ageist. I apologize if I offended Jimminy.
- Johnny WorthingtonI know I've said lots of stupid things over IM, not thinking anyone else would read it, usually not really meaning what I said. I certainly did that a lot when I was younger, and I still do that on occasion.
- Jesse StayHeck, I say stupid things in public some times
- Jesse StayI'm really just a jerk
- Jesse StayJesse, I've said stuff, private and public, that could be taken out of context, or shouldn't have been stated, quite easily, but repeating similar offenses, is hard to ignore.
- Jimminy, CoG of FFAlas, I'm off to watch Survivor, have a good night guys.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
"Nokia's latest flagship handset, the Nokia N8 is due to be released in Germany on 24 August, with the price being about 370 euros. It's going to be on sale via Amazon Germany, so you could order one from there, although we're hopeful that a UK release date will be around the same time."
- Kol TregaskesHands on here: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/33027/nokia-n8-phone-photo-gallery
- Kol TregaskesThe specs suggest this betters the HTC Desire but still need to see the OS to see if it betters it overall.
- Kol TregaskesThe marketing video shows the OS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrXHXin9Iio but prefer the Android OS.
- Kol Tregaskes